Then without any extra effort, the normal trigger pull caused the tab on the drop safety to sheer off. There was nothing wrong with the Glock action, it was a training issue. . Its the expert who gets caught up in the routine and stops paying attention. Theyre cheering for a noose around their own precious Glocks throat. The SIG P320 has been the subject of numerous lawsuits, including one class action case, in the U.S. over injuries sustained because of accidental discharges. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. Instead we see a Sig that is ran by Mr. Cohen of Kimber fame have repeated quality and product development failures. Heres the version that ran Tuesday morning during the networks Good Morning America program . To me it was unreal, $600 to ask a question about WOK and a picture. It offers the quality and reliability of Sig Sauer, with a tried and true striker system and ingenious features that make it a novel gun. JTF-2 is the only unit in. -You plan on getting rid of your P320, great! Picard if Im limited to NCC-1701. This is what happens when you go with the lowest bidder. The truth is the absolute WORST semi-autos that Sig, H&K, Walther, Beretta or Glock makes today are more reliable than the best semi-autos made 40 years ago, by far. saw the video, doesnt explain how it bypasses striker pin safety. Google Keith Slatowski, is he lying also? Sometimes you dont get what you pay for but now SIG has bragging rights. The VIP screening with the meet and greet was like $600. The drop-bang thing only happened at a very narrow event window, it was only once the Internet doom-preachers figured out that narrow window and did it over and over online did it appear to be a thing. Sig adapted and changed the pistol sufficiently to prevent even that issue. What a wonderful parody of a MAC cultist! The second, longer version of the ABC story again included comments from Joshua Harrison, the consultant ABC hired to independently assess the P320. The thing I hate is getting kicked around! Time will tell if no. But I hope Sig fights it until the bitterest of ends. Jeff Bagnell, a lawyer in Westport, Conn., who has litigated 10 cases, mostly by commercial gun owners, related to SIG P320 misfires across several U.S. states, took note of the accident involving the Canadian special forces soldier. SIG says ABC had intended to include some of those other claims in their reports, but after SIG informed the network of the additional information that was uncovered, those cases werent included in either of the segments. While it seems that I have a preference for battle ships, The Romulans had Warbirds.
P320 Accidental Discharge Still an Issue : r/SigSauer - reddit Thread starter ut755ln; Start date Oct 19, 2022; Forums. Before the madness SIGS were expensive. Big public relations disaster and Sig tries a second time to get the piece of shit to work and not go off when dropped. The bullet struck a soldier in the leg. The military is much smarter and no, the gun is not junk. I have no idea. You need a lead that can be the lightening rod and not be afraid to make an ass of themselvesit give the watcher permission to take it seriously. Note the addition of ominous background music in the second seven-minutes-longer version (there was no music in the Good Morning America version). Would you? The weapon was out of battery when it fired.. SIG is choosing to litigate their problems away. So park the Cops suck cause they aint gunfighters! bull**it. This is just blind greed using some careless doofus to sell a lie and cash in because a civil jury, like the average American voter, can be manipulated easily though emotion, tears and stories of anguish, pain and suffering at the foot of some super-rich evil corporations cold-blooded behest. In 2021 you would think a company would understand MIM metallurgy. Likewise, having a finger in the trigger-guard, or a clothing draw-string, or a retention strap, or some other object, when holstering the gun exonerates the maker, as the gun is firing with a trigger press of sufficient energy and stroke as designed. Canadas highly-trained counterterrorism force, JTF-2, is the only military unit with the SIG P320 in its inventory right now.
Detective Brittney Hilton sues Sig Sauer after she says holstered P320 How many times did Shatner actually watch it? Dont quote the four rules of safety in your article when all the hotness in the gun world is appendix carry pointing something at an extremity and the photos you use showing front slide serrationsputting your hands fingers near the business end of the barrel, because press checks from the front is the way all the cool operator guys do it. . Second, every gun maker has made lemons in the past. Liberal, Conservative. hate to tell you this but most lawnmowers with the handle bar stop get tied down. First off, no joke on me. brakes, remember? Cops are crap with guns, unlike me, a REAL pistolero! Asked if the guns in these cases could have been mishandled, Villani responds, When I see videos of police officers getting out of their car and their weapon discharges in their holsters, nah, theres a problem with the gun. ABC then ran bodycam footage of a pre-upgrade P320 firing as a Michigan state trooper exited his patrol car in 2016 with no mention of the results of any subsequent investigation. The sear cams it back a teeny bit.
Does the P365 have a similar reputation for spontaneous - SIG Talk A shame but then no one was hurt.
Another p320 "accidental discharge" - The Armory Life Forum I mean hey, yelling about firearms preferences online is no more productive than discussing nerdy Star Trek stuff, is it? No the devil went down to Georgia to learn how to play a fiddle. Really? Hilton has filed a $15 million lawsuit alleging the P320 has a serious design and manufacturing flaw. I wish nothing bad on anyone carrying regardless of brand. Either the gun is defective or its not. . That is the point of most of the video at the end of the article. These officers are not gunfighters. Was it his fault? I dont own a P320.
Sig Sauer P320: The US Army Loves This Gun (But There Is a Problem) Anyway there was one good thing to come from those movies, The USS Vengeance. In fact, I dont own ANY striker fired polymer pistol. I agree. That being the case, the 320 is a cocked and locked striker-fired gun; However, it only has two safeties, unlike, say, a 1911, which has four: An inertial firing pin, a positive firing-pin locking safety, a manual sear-locking/blocking safety, and a trigger-bar-blocking grip safety. He quickly too quickly tried to pick up the gun from the floor before anyone could see it, and in his haste, he picked it up with his finger on the trigger and accidentally fired the gun.
Texas Penal Code - PENAL 42.12 | FindLaw The current allegations, then, are different, claiming that the P320 is prone to un-commanded discharges.. A fine of up to $10,000. And it doesnt take too much Googling to find plenty of reports of LEOs suing the Georgia company as well (see here, here, here, and here for just a few). My dad owned one and that is exactly what happened one time when he was using it. Bagnell said he thinks the discharges are due to both design and manufacturing flaws on SIGs part. Effectively: you must be this dumb to get this job. I have almost a hatred for Glocks but the one thing that they are is reliable. Cars have so many electronics these days, who knows what could have gone wrong! Which in and of itself is user error / misuse. If you did the same with a Glock or an M&P without the thumb safeties, youd get the same result. Hilton's $15 million lawsuit said, "there have been 54 reported uncommanded discharges of the P320," meaning the gun went off by itself, over the last five years in 22 states and Washington, D.C. 3 disaster is true and if it is Sig will go all out to cover it up if it was. how do I get one for my P320? NO, SIG has a problem that they would rather fight in court. The Glocks lack of a manual safety has caused untold thousands of needless cripplings and death. Hes talking about trial lawyers recruiting clients whove experienced negligent discharges with P320s and suing the gun manufacturer. Someone is going to read this thread and be bewildered. It has nothing to do with Glock. The company didnt want to comment on any specific pending litigation for obvious reasons. The military is already shopping for a new sidearm. The weapons are currently on the shelf and the soldiers have returned to using their older model SIG P226s. Bagnells and other lawsuits ABC claims at least 54 discharges and 10 suits against SIG describe instances of P320s going off dating back to 2016, prior to the upgrade. who sells them? Had a buddy, years ago, that was a deputy for Orange County in California. And thats just my opinion. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jsu6WsSQ2_g. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. The problem with Sig is with their polymer pistols. The main difference is that the M&P never had the problem the p320 did with trigger mass. Companies stay silent
Milwaukee Police Report Issues With Sig P320's Discharging The fact that Shatner was doing Wrath of Kahn meet and greets at 90 years old kind of soured me. Sound familiar?
Sig Sauer Faces $10 Million Lawsuit over P320 Pistol After Alleged (The defect couldnt be duplicated after the crash.).
Pistol misfire that injured soldier was an unpredictable accident - CBC Get a dead trigger when the striker breaks.
P320 Voluntary Upgrade Program | SIG SAUER People of the Gun are probably familiar with the early problems the P320 had regarding drop safety. I cant stand Glocks but SIG P320s are junk. This subject has two prongs; One is the negligence of those who have shot themselves with 320s through violations of Rule 2, the other the possible mechanical design failing of the gun. They simply have never been seen in the upper echelon of handgun makers, their entire business model is to offer cheaper guns at cheaper prices. Really, that JJA ship looks like something the folks at PlaySkool built, its terrible. In my opinion, the only reason SIG would have done that is if they knew there was a safety problem with the original gun, otherwise they would not have done it., Scott says Harrison reviewed the claims in Officer Hiltons lawsuit and said, its unclear to (Harrison) what could now be causing misfires in the upgraded guns., Scott then asked Harrison if he believes the P320 should be removed from the marketplace. Oh, if you another thread reader asking Wheres the Sig/Glock bashing? Ron Cohen ruined Kimber and now hes doing the same to SIG. Excellent work. Give me a break. If it was so bad, why did the US Marines, who had the Glock, drop it in favor of the carry sized P320, the M18? I dunno if its a case of lowest bidders blues or what. Seems a bit apologetic to me. Asking for a friend. . Whats this silly BS? and youve gotten this far reading our thread. Bagnell told TTAG that he believes the problem with the striker-fired P320 is an inadequate sear/striker connection (he has images he says illustrate this on his website).
Marine vet ICE agent sues Sig Sauer for $10M claiming pistol shot him Harrison responded, No, I dont think the upgraded version should be recalled, in fact I think the previous version should be recalled so that everyone has the upgraded version.. On Nov. 5, 2020, a recently-purchased SIG Sauer P320 pistol went off unexpectedly at a training range in Dwyer Hill, outside of Ottawa. Having it as the ONLY trigger pull the weapon has seems (to me) clearly dangerous. Where is that defect now? The weapon had a history of going off unexpectedly when it was dropped at a certain angle.
Canadian soldier wounded by accidental discharge used wrong - CBC At rest, cocked, it may very well have enough oomph to set some primers off. It has an unsafe takedown procedure that requires you to pull the trigger to get the slide off. While we dont have the actual numbers of similar lawsuits filed against other gun makers actually no one individual or organization seems to keep track of these things and gun makers dont want to talk about it it seems highly likely that every major firearm manufacturer gets its share of a regular flow of lawsuits filed by both civilians and LEOs who claim SHAZAM! Profits over reliability and you end up with junk. Use a proper holster and follow other gun safety protocols. "It has a clear capacity to fire without the trigger being pulled under certain conditions," said Hilton's lawyer, Jeffrey Bagnell. Glocks biggest problem is they havent innovated since 1985. If it were a lowered tier manufacturer like a Taurus having allegations made against them, people would run with it without thinking twice. It sounds the same as arguing whether Captain Marvel could beat Superman up in a fist fight its pretty absurd and laughable. The SIG will be the shortest military contract for guns in history. The second version emphasized the upgrade to fix the drop safety issue and notes that Harrison believes that problem has been fixed. Then after just three years without telling anyone they stopped all production including extra parts. I would rather play handball with the Devil himself because if you deal with the Devil he will tell you that you agreed to lose your soul for a big box full of millions in cash. Hello perpetrators, Lee Paige is clearly the gift that keeps on giving though our buddy Hunter Biden is a close second! For instance theres Lieutenant Thomas Ahern who was was performing a routine function (test) of his P320 when it fired at him without any force towards the trigger, resulting in the bullet impacting his left thigh.. That show with no Shatner-Kirk and only a Nimoy-Spock wouldnt have gotten past the first season. The fact is that the plaintiffs will get paid regardless of who did what.
Special Forces pulls new pistols from service after soldier - CBC Yaaay! And then theres Gunter Walker, a civilian, who says his P320 fired on its ownwhen he placed the weapon down on his nightstand, shooting him through the palm of his left hand.. I think in the end even if there is no mechanical defect (dont hold your breath) it will be found that the Sig is causing accidental discharges for the same reason the Glock does, because if you snag the trigger on the Sig model that does not have a manual safety (some do) the gun will accidentally fire. He wasnt aware of it until contacted earlier this week by CBC News and suggested it was relevant in ongoing litigation in the U.S. We look forward to reviewing the incident in discovery in the United States, he said Friday. . The Milwaukee police department has had 3 incidents of the Sig discharging while being in a holster sitting in a patrol car in 2023. At least the Lion roars when he is hungry, the C.E.O smiles at you and when you turn your back he puts a knife right into it. Good job! Everyone knows Glocks are the absolute pinnacle of perfection and have never had one single defect ever! . Sig P320 discharge while holstered. A fellow kept his DA revolver in the desk. I was tempted to buy one at one time but no more. Mechanical engagement of sear to striker not deep enough (wanted lighter, smoother trigger pull without giving it any hand workmanship required with the deep notch much safer classic systems made since 1900) Result another big fail. The military has found that the pistol has a tendency to eject live rounds among other issues. If these same folks were around in the 80s and got their way, no one today would know what a Glock was. I know there are those who will vehemently disagree with me, and even disparage me but I have been following this issue from early on, BUT I recall CLEARLY that there have been dozens and dozens of discharges that could not be attributed to operator error and people experiencing these uncommanded discharges both before AND after getting the trigger upgrade. Watching all these Glock fan boys drool over these lawsuits in their tribal brand-lust is like watching the talking heads on CNN announcing Trump lost the 2020 election. At least the Gorilla is still evolving while the Far Right proved to be an evolutionary dead end, one of natures mistakes. They have similar vertical sear engagement, but the M&P has more engagement width wise. In this version, Bridge City Officer Brittany Hilton tells her story of what she says happened when her P320 discharged as she was carrying it in her purse in what appears to be a SERPA holster (which has had its own problems, but thats another story). Trying to categorically say Brand X is better than Brand Y! Sigs suck and my Glock is awesome!. And they think hey have an actual legit lawsuit on their hands? 35446 Views 56 Replies 41 Participants Last post by tirod, Sep 1, 2021. As for Seals they have their own contract with Glock but can carry anything they want. Anyway around here they do. Bravo. The round went downrange so nobody was hurt. My bet would be that someone had a fully loaded gun in a gym bag and a cloth or rag snagged the trigger. About $300. Many gun makers have had issues with drop firing, unintended discharge, bad safeties This is a resource I compiled of semi-auto pistols that have been recalled or Upgraded for Safety related problems like Drop Firing, Safeties that Malfunction, Risk of Accidental Discharge, etc. These cops seem pretty dang stupid if they put loaded guns in gym bags and purses with other stuff and carry them around, especially a gun that lacks manual safeties. There are tens of millions of gun owners, far more than there are cops, and the VAST majority of those folks buy their guns and drop them a nightstand drawer or up on a closet shelf and leave it until theyre needed. The Nightline segment includes an interview with Major Peter Villani, an expert (paid) witness for Hilton. I can say one thing for sure, the X on the side of the my is about is welcoming to me as grip zone was. There used to be a problem, which is why Sig fixed it. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each incident gives them more blood for their macabre dance, and another tic-mark for their context-free gun violence tally. Keep your finger off the trigger unless you are ready to shoot. Funny how that works. If you can make the trigger move backwards, all bets are off. Frankly, I think that ship is the best looking sci-fi ship design ever, with the Excelsior a very close second. I think making guns easy to shoot has gone too far. Im a Kirk guy, a Shatner Kirk guy. Why you and I are arguing over a gun that neither owns or will own, Whether or not the suits have merit. It did not originally have this. SIG just cannot seem to make a striker fired pistol that doesnt have issues. Dude, your story is THREE years old. Everyone remember the video of the DEA agent shooting himself while explaining that he was highly qualified to carry a gun? Harrison stated that, I have not seen enough to convince me that the upgraded version is dangerous., When ABCs David Scott asked Harrison if its a mystery whats going wrong with the updated version though Harrison had just stated the upgraded pistol isnt dangerous Harrison said, I do not have an explanation for why the updated version should have complaints from trained individuals. The new Tauruses have a good rep, far better then the P320 or P365. Its also interesting that theres apparently no corresponding flood of civilian lawsuits against SIG with similar claims of guns going off, even though the public owns far more P320s than do law enforcement agencies. It isnt the beginner woodworker who loses fingers. No you haters are not smarter than the US military, who tested the P320 far more than your favorite YouTuber ever did. I am also very much a DS9 fan, best series overall. A few Warbirds decloaking would make me very nervous if it wasnt sci-fi fantasy. The new Kirk does suck. The American manufacturer of the new pistols belonging to Canadas special forces claims the soldier wounded in an accidental discharge last fall was using the wrong holster for the weapon. Finger on the trigger and muzzle discipline are sometimes unheralded. And the idea some random comment section P320 hater thinks theyre smarter & more knowledgeable than the Army, Navy, Airforce, Coast Guard and Marine Corp combined regarding military pistol selection is just freaking laughable! Unless they have to fire their weapon in an on-duty incident most officers only fire their weapons just before and/or at qualifications, which depending on the department are annual or semi-annual. Both versions of the ABC report included comments from Officer Hiltons attorney, Jeffrey Bagnell, who said, Its not credible to claim that people with this amount of training, this amount of skill are all shooting themselves. 19 Feb 2021 Military.com | By Matthew Cox A former U.S. Marine and federal agent has filed a $10 million lawsuit against Sig Sauer Inc. alleging that his holstered Sig P320 -- a pistol. People who had problems have been replacing them with Lightning Strike SS ones. Theyre the only product that is not. This leads me to conclude that the problem is not the gear but the moron using it. Remember the stupidity of the far right is infinite and the blind greed of the gun makers prove they could not care less about human life and suffering. A holstered base P320 allegedly had a mysterious accidental discharge without pulling the trigger. Because its flat out bull**it. Fourth, no one takes Taurus seriously. Lastly, ship-wise I have to go with the TMP-era refit Enterprise, regardless of Captain. This is why we now have back up safeties on garden tractors and riding lawn mowers. Not too long after they sold a pistol to the public and United States military thats not even DROP SAFE?!? Additional questions about the Voluntary Upgrade Program are answered in the FAQ. To give you an example of early self-propelled lawn mowers if you lost your grip on the handles the mower would not shut off and it would take off on its own right down the street all by itself. Thats just myopic brand lust on parade. Yes, its reliable, but no more so than most other major brands well known models.
Alec Baldwin fatally shoots cinematographer, injures director on set of The trigger bar has to push up on it, for it to release. Glock is being sued too, because once loaded and a round is chambered, it also has a much lighter trigger than a DA/SA. The pictures on the internet were enough to scare the shit out of you especially his wound in the thigh. Its just dumb enough to sound like the plot to a damned Disney film. Theyve now come to the attention of the legacy media. It takes time for any new platform to work the kinks out.
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